the BMB

Yet another one that shows up every year. We should just have these things stickied so every new person on this site see's that it all ready has been posted, a thousand times.

illBlood:

yeah, hes known for how hard he rips in pipe and park, but ive watched videos of him hittin crazy jibs wherever he can find em, doin *** that JJ does,

no you havent seen him doing that because he doesn't. Watch his real handrail shots, they are all 50-50's, sloppy noseslides, and maybe once and awhile he might 180 out.

confused:

Iced_endeavor:

You saying you know lots of guys who ride backcountry for a living. Well so do I, and when I see them in the park I have completely different expectations than when I see someone like JP. I don't expect some guy who drops cliffs into pow all day to be able to front board a huge kink when he hasn't seriously stepped to a rail, but JP is supposed to be the jib king, so the expectations I think are a little bit higher when he's in the park as opposed to say a Kale Stephens. Also I could also take the approach that JP should be pushing himself in the park since that's the training grounds for what he does. I'm wiling to bet most of the tricks JP's done over the years that were considered groundbreaking at the time he learned in the park, probably not all them but a lot of them.


Anyone who's spent anytime in the shred industry knows how many insanlely cool people there are. Unfortunately there are poeple who just suck, not in their riding abilities but as a person. Just because a company has figured out a way to properly advertise a guy in magazines, and he's landed a couple small video parts doesn't mean he's a cool guy who deserves tons of respect. I think I may see he worst side of it all living in Whistler and getting to see just how douchy some shreds are on a daily basis so I may be tainted.


the difference between pro women such as Natasha Zurek, Priscilla Levac, MFR and Annie Boulanger and some of the other ones out there is ridiculous.

JP ain't riding park fool. He shreds the pow too. Check out his sweet Back 10 tail off the forum stepdown, should be in the dawger flick and/or stepchild. All I'm saying is that they don't go on the hill to put on a show or even really practise. More just to keep the legs active and keep it mellow. Did you not see his cover shot on Future, that crzy 270 on over the one rail onto the other?

I've lived in Whistler a while and I'm not tainted. It's pretty easy to see who's just frontin and who's got the skills. I find the only people that are bothered by it are the jealous ones.

I realize JP rides pow too, I've seen every part he's ever put out and because of that he's been one of my favorite riders since day 1. He's not known for killing it in pow, he's known for killing handrails. That's not to say he hasn't thrown down some bangers into pow, but he's known for being a jibber.


It is easy to see who's frontin and whos got the skills at all, that's what I'm trying to say. When you see photos and random video clips of people, they always look sick, because you only see their best stuff so it's once you see them riding regularily that you get an idea of who's stoked to ride everyday and doing it becaus they love to, and whos doing it because they are good and would rather get a pay cheque that way than another type of job.

You can call me jealous all you want, I know Im not. I went far enough up the sponsorship ladder to know it's something I don't want any part of. I love snowboarding everyday without the expectations you have to do something special, or being told where to ride and how to ride it. It's just my stance that as a professional part of your job is to represent your sponsors well all the time. When you're bitching about having to ride, travel, compete, etc. you're not doing that. Someone can have the best video part year after year, ads in every magazine, contest win after contest win, etc but if you're a douchebag to random kids in the park, or some little kid hears you bitching about something stupid that's what they are going to remember. There are enough people who kill it, that would love the opportunity to get paid to ride and travel that if you're not super stoked to be there you should find something else.

see, are these pros paid to rock their sponsors gear when they aren't competing? like is that part of the contract? if it is, then they have a bit of a responsibility to ride at a higher level when they're just out shredding since they're getting paid technically... if their contracts with those companies only pertains to comps, then let them do whatever the hell they want on their "off days"

Ken:

McBain:

LOL we're comparing 1080s to dunking a basketball now.

There's no difference. It's all about what the fans expect to see from you. Think about all those actors who get asked numerous times on a daily basis to repeat their most famous lines. There's no difference.

Uhhh...dunking a basketball or repeating lines from movies...you do realize that stuff is no where near risky as hucking yourself off a 60 ft park jump. Sure, a lot of riders can throw 1080s effortlessly now, but I think it's still a scary trick for most people. Shaun White himself said 1080s are for TV and winning contests. Not a trick you do for fun.

McBain:

Ken:

McBain:

LOL we're comparing 1080s to dunking a basketball now.

There's no difference. It's all about what the fans expect to see from you. Think about all those actors who get asked numerous times on a daily basis to repeat their most famous lines. There's no difference.

Uhhh...dunking a basketball or repeating lines from movies...you do realize that stuff is no where near risky as hucking yourself off a 60 ft park jump. Sure, a lot of riders can throw 1080s effortlessly now, but I think it's still a scary trick for most people. Shaun White himself said 1080s are for TV and winning contests. Not a trick you do for fun.

No one said it had to be a 1080 (I'm sure most people would be ok seeing a pro throw stylish 5s, 7s or 9s). People want to see you in your element. I'm not saying you should put yourself in harms way but you're basic a walking billboard as a professional athlete and the 'promotion' does not stop when you are out in the open.

Ken:

McBain:

Ken:

McBain:

LOL we're comparing 1080s to dunking a basketball now.

There's no difference. It's all about what the fans expect to see from you. Think about all those actors who get asked numerous times on a daily basis to repeat their most famous lines. There's no difference.

Uhhh...dunking a basketball or repeating lines from movies...you do realize that stuff is no where near risky as hucking yourself off a 60 ft park jump. Sure, a lot of riders can throw 1080s effortlessly now, but I think it's still a scary trick for most people. Shaun White himself said 1080s are for TV and winning contests. Not a trick you do for fun.

No one said
it had to be a 1080 (I'm sure most people would be ok seeing a pro throw
stylish 5s, 7s or 9s).
People want to see you in your element. I'm not saying you should put yourself
in harms way but you're basic a walking billboard as a professional athlete and
the 'promotion' does not stop when you are out in the open.

with the amount of randoms throwing 10's and 12's these days I'd much rather see a smooth 3 or 5 anyday of the week. It's style and creativity that differentiate these days. When I mean I exect a pro to be impressive everytime I see him/her ride I don't mean giant spins over giant tables. I just expect whatever I see them do to be decent. Whether it's a frontboard on a 10 foot flat bar thats a foot of the ground or a back 10 double cork over a 90 footer it doesn't matter.

Iced_endeavor:

Ken:

McBain:

Ken:

McBain:

LOL we're comparing 1080s to dunking a basketball now.

There's no difference. It's all about what the fans expect to see from you. Think about all those actors who get asked numerous times on a daily basis to repeat their most famous lines. There's no difference.

Uhhh...dunking a basketball or repeating lines from movies...you do realize that stuff is no where near risky as hucking yourself off a 60 ft park jump. Sure, a lot of riders can throw 1080s effortlessly now, but I think it's still a scary trick for most people. Shaun White himself said 1080s are for TV and winning contests. Not a trick you do for fun.

No one said it had to be a 1080 (I'm sure most people would be ok seeing a pro throw stylish 5s, 7s or 9s). People want to see you in your element. I'm not saying you should put yourself in harms way but you're basic a walking billboard as a professional athlete and the 'promotion' does not stop when you are out in the open.

with the amount of randoms throwing 10's and 12's these days I'd much rather see a smooth 3 or 5 anyday of the week. It's style and creativity that differentiate these days. When I mean I exect a pro to be impressive everytime I see him/her ride I don't mean giant spins over giant tables. I just expect whatever I see them do to be decent. Whether it's a frontboard on a 10 foot flat bar thats a foot of the ground or a back 10 double cork over a 90 footer it doesn't matter.

Ok, so you're criticizing the execution of tricks of certain pros in real life not the actual tricks they do? I guess you got a point there. If they can throw a steezy 180 on film, they should be able to do it on a 30 foot park jump.

Scarlet Fever:

see, are these pros paid to rock their sponsors gear when they aren't competing? like is that part of the contract? if it is, then they have a bit of a responsibility to ride at a higher level when they're just out shredding since they're getting paid technically... if their contracts with those companies only pertains to comps, then let them do whatever the hell they want on their "off days"

whether or not you're getting paid specifically for your contest results people will recognize you and know who you ride for if they follow snowboarding. It's the same thing with any other job, you get paid for specific tasks or hours, but that doesn't mean you can do whatever you want outside of your workplace. People lose jobs all the time over incidents which occur outside of the workplace, for representing their employer in a bad way or whatever it may be. Snowboarding, when you start getting pay cheques becomes a job, and just like any other job there are certain expectations regarding behaviour in and out of the workplace.

ooops double post.

So is your criticism here about pros being douchebags or that they're not riding at a certain level in public?

Just going to say that this thread fails, doesn't deliver, and receives a 0/10.

I was replying to a specific post. I'm not saying any specific pro is a douchebag, although I think some are. I'm just saying that pros are required to act a certain way and that any pro acting like a douchebag or making excuses for their riding might want to think twice with the number of kids who could step right in and fill their spot.


I also understand people have bad days, and I'm sure pros have days where they don't want to ride, or days where everything feels really weird and unusual but taking a day off to chill is one thing, sitting at the top of the park bitching is something entirely different.

If you aren't jealous why did you even bring up the point about not being impressed with JP when you saw him?

As for being "working" when they're just riding because they represent a brand, I wouldn't say that's true. Most riders get rewarded for magazine and video coverage. Companies could care less if they're up shredding the mountain.

Maybe you can start calling and complaining to the companies of the riders you aren't impressed with when you see them on the hill. Maybe the next time they'll do something special for you

confused:

If you aren't jealous why did you even bring up the point about not being impressed with JP when you saw him?

As for being "working" when they're just riding because they represent a brand, I wouldn't say that's true. Most riders get rewarded for magazine and video coverage. Companies could care less if they're up shredding the mountain.

Maybe you can start calling and complaining to the companies of the riders you aren't impressed with when you see them on the hill. Maybe the next time they'll do something special for you

How do my comments regarding JP at any point in time make me seem jealous. I acknowledge time and time again how sick he was and how much he's done for the sport. Someone made a comment about how he's still killing it and I said I thought otherwise based on what I've seen. I'm not going to be suprised if I see a few more good shots of JP before he retires, but that has nothign to do with my opinion that he's not really at the same level as the jib pros of today. You can argue with me all day, call me jealous or do whatever the *** else you want but that's my opinion, and I'm sure more than a few people will agree with me on that. JP deserves the utmost respect and I want to see him remembered like he deserves to be, not as someone who ended up killing it for the first part of their career and then spent the last few years settling on stock tricks and just earning a pay cheque.

I said riders get rewarded for coverage, wins, etc. I think that's pretty clear. I also know companies don't give a *** about a riders day to day activities when they aren't out filming, competing, on a tour or whatever when they are just doing their own thing. But you can't tell me that a riders actions outside of snowboarding have no effect at all. Sure they don't try and pry into their day to day lives, but if someone who's being paid to represent a brand is making that brand look bad through their actions then I'm sure something would be done about it. I'm not at all saying companies are monitoring everything their riders do, but I'm sure if things start to become an issue they may take a more hands on approach.

You're attitude in this thread has been *** since you came in here. Do you honestly think I care enough about how anyone else rides to make any phone call? This is a message board, a place where people take part in conversations. This particular conversation somehow went down the road it did and so I expressed my opinions. I'm not sure how my posts in this thread have been any different from many I see people making in other threads you're posting in where people are discussing who should and shouldn't be on Burton. I think it's too bad some people don't appreciate the opportunities they've gotten through snowboarding and that's my real feelings, hardly ones I feel the need to call anyone about. I love to snowboard and as a result I spend a lot of time on the mountains, in that time I see a lot of people riding and ride with a lot of different people. I'd say on some level I have an opinion regarding the skill level of anyone I've ever seen. Snowboarding, because it's so subjective is kinda like that, you see one person float a bs1 and it might be the worst bs1 you've ever seen then the next one you see might be super smooth, nice and poppy and tweaked perfectly. You might turn to your buddy and comment on how sick it was, or look at him and cringe when the guy with the sketchy bs1 almost knuckles backwards. Just because you had that opinion in that brief moment doesn't mean it holds a whole lot of weight overall. You can argue with my opinions all you want, and sit on your high horse all day, but regardless of what you may think everyone in here but you isn't completely oblivious to how things work. I'm not doubting you know your ***, but I don't think anything I've said is too far fetched.